They Said: There's no Palestine
Date: 9/26/00 2:35:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: smansour@webstreetsecurities.com (Abu Sous)
To: LongLivePalestine@egroups.com

Sarah,
Let us analyze what you have said, and I will try to answer your points one at a time. I will be quoting you between these characters.
It is time for normal Jews who know the truth about the Arab-Jewish conflict to speak out and set the record straight. First of all, let's get one thing clear: There has never been such a thing as a "Palestine" land or people. The name Palestine is not to be found anywhere in the Bible; instead it is an invention of Roman Emperor Hadrian.

It sounds to me that you are a real historian, but your recollection of history are very selective. Before the Palestinians invaded Palestine (modern day Israel), Palestine was named after Canaanites. Your selective memory has totally ignored Canaanites; and I am wondering what were your motives. For your information, Canaanites & Arabs ( both are Samies) descend from the same area in modern day Yemen. You may get offended, but Canaanite are the first to settle in Jerusalem & they called it 'ILYA (not Alya) after one of their Gods (it was not Allah at the time). Palestas (Greek tribe from Creet which means a "Fighter" by the way) invaded Palestine, & mostly settled in the coastal area like Gaza, Lydda, & some areas in the North of Palestine like Jinin (Greek name by the way too). So that is how the west knew Palestine, after the Greek Palestas (fighters). Believe it or not, over a small period of time, Palestas & Canaanites milted into one society were Palestas & Canaanite became the same people. In Arabic, Palestinians are known by the Philisteens which resembles the same way the Bible referred to the Palestinians (what a big propaganda machine). So now instead of backing your accusations with facts, you have decided on ignoring that facts, & I wish if you can make your augments little bit more objective in your response. Racist Zionist insisted on ignoring the Palestinians so they can relief themselves from the responsibility of looting their homes & properties. Just to give you an idea on what magnitude the looting of Palestine took place, Palestinians owned & developed 55% of Palestine's GDP, & up to 90% of that their economy & properties were looted by Holocaust survivors. WHAT A SHAME?

In 1967, by a miracle, the Jewish army liberated more lands of the Bible which had been specifically promised to Abraham.

What a miracle are you talking about. 150 billion dollars have been diverted to Israel from US tax payers, and if I have 150 billion dollars, I will build the greatest colony you want any where even on the moon.
Another argument about your promise land. Let me show you again how selective you are with your historical recollections. If Abraham made such a promise, he made it to all of his decedents.including Ishmael too. Well, what about the father of modern day Arabs? Why has he been excluded by the Zionists? Please do not twist history to make your points!!
Let us put the facts on the table. Israel would have never existed if it was not for Racist Europeans. Palestine was the promise land for thousands of years & how selective the Racist Zionist to remember that they have a "Promised Land" when the Nazi were knocking on their doors!!! How convenient, all of a sudden, the Jews of the world to remember an important real state document "The Bible"!!!! Please Sarah, do not mix religion with this conflict, it makes no sense, for God's sake the first town to be turned over to the PNA was Jericho, which was the first to be conquered by the Israelites while coming out of Egypt. How do you explain that?

As long we are talking about the "Promise Land" I have the following interesting questions:
1-Where were the Jews of the world when the "Promised Land" needed them during the Crusades genocide in Palestine? I can answer this question. Mostly the Jews were enjoying the Zenith of their times in Seville ('Ishbelyah), Faz, Qurtobah, & Grenada!!! Did you ask yourself the question who was ruling these towns & cities?
2-In your real state document "The Bible", can you clearly state its borders. From what we were able to understand that it included big portion of Egypt, all of Jordan, big portion of Iraq, all of Syria, & small portion of Turkey too. This is very important because it could seriously widen the conflict. I need more Zionist to repeat your claims, so the rest of the world can clearly understand your intentions.
3-When Abraham made his promise, he made it to all of his decedents. Well, from what I can tell you could be a Khazari Jew. Most European Jews have little to do with Abraham (not all of Jews off course). Zionist like you who wish to ignore history for their selfish reasons, ignoring the great civilization of the Khazari people is a shame, because Khazari ;as Arabs, attempted to build a civilization based on inclusion not exclusion. These Jews are known by the Red Jews because they are Huns & Turks. Actually, their features are the features that the Nazis designated for the Jews in the 1930s. So is Palestine the "Promised Land" for Khazari Jews too, well, how about Atheist Jews. For you information, many of the early Zionist were Atheist, did you know that?
Below are some websites about the Khazari empire:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6784/bookruth.html
http://www.khazaria.com/
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6784/index.html
4-Is Palestine the promised land for Palestinian Jews who converted to Islam too. Where do you draw the line? Who is a Jew anyway? Can you define that?
I could go on & on about this subject.
<<Israeli General Yekutiel Adam was murdered by a 14 year old "Palestinian child." I wonder how long I would physically be able to throw rocks or Molotov cocktails at the Pittsburgh police?>>
Please Sarah, do not insult the American people & their constitution. American constitution looks at all people the same; regardless of their color or gender. Actually sense Israel & Zionism are racist, & that makes them truly un-American. So it is unfair for you to compare what happens in Racist Israel with what happens in the US. If this situation occurred in the US, the boy won't have to throw anything in the first place because (through to do course of the law) his home & properties in Jaffa or Haifa would never have been looted.
It is simple & stupid Sarah: Your racism will generate racism, & unfortunately it justifies what Hitler & racist Europe have done against European .
sincerely,
Abu Sous
webmaster@PalestineRemembered.com
http://www.PalestineRemembered.com
 
 

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  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 12:12 PM
  Subject: [LLP] They Said: There's no Palestine
 

      There's no Palestine
      By Sarah E. Kaden

      It is time for normal Jews who know the truth about the Arab-Jewish conflict to speak out and set the record straight. First of all, let's get one thing clear: There has never been such a thing as a "Palestine" land or people. The name Palestine is not to be found anywhere in the Bible; instead it is an invention of Roman Emperor Hadrian.

      Hadrian and his army invaded the biblically promised Jewish land, then called Judea after the Judeans or Jews, conquered its Jewish owners and inhabitants after a long struggle, exiled them from their land and changed the name Judea to Palestina or Philistina after the Philistines.

      I'm sure if Hadrian had not changed the name, the Jews in Israel would be fighting with Judean terrorists. During the 2,000 year Jewish Exile, Arab nomads entered the Jewish land as squatters and illegally claimed it as their own simply by fiat. The duration of the Arab land theft certainly does not make that theft legal.

      In 1967, by a miracle, the Jewish army liberated more lands of the Bible which had been specifically promised to Abraham.

      There is either an Israel or a "Palestine." There cannot be both. Since there is no "Palestine" land there is no "Palestine" people, either. Therefore, there is no land to take away from them since they have absolutely no title or claim to any of it; it belongs solely to the Jewish people because (God gave it to us).

      Some people are further bothered by the fact that Jews in Israel actually shoot the women and children who throw rocks and Molotov cocktails at them with the intent to kill. To me, it would make no difference what the age or gender of the person who was trying to kill me - they would get exactly what was coming to them.

      Israeli General Yekutiel Adam was murdered by a 14 year old "Palestinian child." I wonder how long I would physically be able to throw rocks or Molotov cocktails at the Pittsburgh police?

      Do normal Jews owe the "Palestinians" anything? Yes we do. We owe it to them to let them know that we intend to continue living in our land, even at the cost of their lives.

      Sarah E. Kaden - Pittsburgh, PA

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